Comments on: Government Perspective http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/ Drunk in the River. . . Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:33:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Marty http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4969 Marty Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:47:42 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4969 I enjoyed the article and think it was refreshing. Even when disagreeing, it must be done in a respectful manner. Thank you for that reminder. I worry how people forget that without changes to our current health care system, we will still be bankrupt within 5 years. Medi Cal, Medi Care, and Social Security will NOT be there when we retire, unless we make changes today. We must not be so quick to point out the bad without a fair evaluation of the good as well. Either way, we are paying now or will pay more later. Something to thing about. God Bless! I enjoyed the article and think it was refreshing. Even when disagreeing, it must be done in a respectful manner. Thank you for that reminder.

I worry how people forget that without changes to our current health care system, we will still be bankrupt within 5 years. Medi Cal, Medi Care, and Social Security will NOT be there when we retire, unless we make changes today. We must not be so quick to point out the bad without a fair evaluation of the good as well. Either way, we are paying now or will pay more later. Something to thing about. God Bless!

]]> By: KW http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4855 KW Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:43:00 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4855 Sandra's right. As Americans who pay taxes, there are many things we pay for that we don't like, agree with or want. I'm upset that my tax dollars were wasted on David Vitter paying for hookers but oh well, that's life. Sandra’s right. As Americans who pay taxes, there are many things we pay for that we don’t like, agree with or want. I’m upset that my tax dollars were wasted on David Vitter paying for hookers but oh well, that’s life.

]]> By: geri http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4854 geri Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:21:40 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4854 Couldn't agree with you more. The House of Justice JHOPDC has made it very easy to pray for our leaders and I really believe it is making a difference. It has to. They have a web site: http://firstofall.jhopdc.com, that you can make your homepage and enter your prayers every day. The state senators and leaders are rotated each day but you can pray for our President every day. It has really helped me as a reminder. God bless Love the worship song: Open up the Sky by Deluge! Couldn’t agree with you more. The House of Justice JHOPDC has made it very easy to pray for our leaders and I really believe it is making a difference. It has to. They have a web site: http://firstofall.jhopdc.com, that you can make your homepage and enter your prayers every day. The state senators and leaders are rotated each day but you can pray for our President every day. It has really helped me as a reminder. God bless
Love the worship song: Open up the Sky by Deluge!

]]> By: Sandra http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4853 Sandra Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:51:29 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4853 Mark & Connie: You totally misunderstood. What I'm saying is LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. Some of us are fixated on one thing. Yes it's going to cost money. We only see what CNN, MSNBC, Fox and the other networks are showing. Always be aware of scare tactics that are used. Look at it from both sides. True, no one will get everything they want. There will be issues that are not pleasing to some and pleasing to others. There is no one on this earth that does everything right and pleases everyone. Just know that what's important to you or I, may not be important to someone else. Apparently there are some good things in the bill because 220 in the House voted for it and it passed. All in all, look at the entire package and know you won't agreed with a lot of the things in it. Mark & Connie: You totally misunderstood. What I’m saying is LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PACKAGE. Some of us are fixated on one thing. Yes it’s going to cost money. We only see what CNN, MSNBC, Fox and the other networks are showing. Always be aware of scare tactics that are used. Look at it from both sides. True, no one will get everything they want. There will be issues that are not pleasing to some and pleasing to others. There is no one on this earth that does everything right and pleases everyone. Just know that what’s important to you or I, may not be important to someone else. Apparently there are some good things in the bill because 220 in the House voted for it and it passed. All in all, look at the entire package and know you won’t agreed with a lot of the things in it.

]]> By: Francis Meyrick http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4852 Francis Meyrick Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:55:47 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4852 Good thoughts. Thank you. Gave me something to chew over. "Because not one person would like this bill if they read all 1,990 pages of it. That’s not good government to do things behind our backs." I agree. There is something sinister about this. Ever feel we are being bamboozled? Forced, kicking and screaming, down a well planned road we would never voluntarily travel? Good thoughts. Thank you. Gave me something to chew over.

“Because not one person would like this bill if they read all 1,990 pages of it. That’s not good government to do things behind our backs.”

I agree. There is something sinister about this. Ever feel we are being bamboozled? Forced, kicking and screaming, down a well planned road we would never voluntarily travel?

]]> By: Mark and Connie Williams http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4851 Mark and Connie Williams Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:05:17 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4851 Sandra, we have to look at this from all angles. It's not healthcare for every American no matter the cost. Do you understand what would happen to this country if this particular plan were put in place? It would bankrupt the federal government in 5 years. Also, the people we voted into office wanted to sneak it in on a session this summer so that the American people couldn't see what's in it and therefore be shouldered with this thing without knowing what it contained. Why? Because not one person would like this bill if they read all 1,990 pages of it. That's not good government to do things behind our backs. But God intervened and it got out and so it was delayed. Even democrats who like some of our government's ideas will not vote on this, thank God. I believe everyone should be able to have healthcare but not at this dangerous degree that is proposed in the present healthcare bill. It would be far too dangerous allowing too much government control which would invade almost every area of our lives. A life that was promised in this country to be lived with freedom. Sandra, we have to look at this from all angles. It’s not healthcare for every American no matter the cost. Do you understand what would happen to this country if this particular plan were put in place? It would bankrupt the federal government in 5 years. Also, the people we voted into office wanted to sneak it in on a session this summer so that the American people couldn’t see what’s in it and therefore be shouldered with this thing without knowing what it contained. Why? Because not one person would like this bill if they read all 1,990 pages of it. That’s not good government to do things behind our backs. But God intervened and it got out and so it was delayed. Even democrats who like some of our government’s ideas will not vote on this, thank God. I believe everyone should be able to have healthcare but not at this dangerous degree that is proposed in the present healthcare bill. It would be far too dangerous allowing too much government control which would invade almost every area of our lives. A life that was promised in this country to be lived with freedom.

]]> By: Sandra http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4845 Sandra Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:13:07 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4845 I agree with Amber. People are getting hyped up about Health care plans. If they were one of those people that did not have access to health care, they would be all for it and it's obvious those fighting against it, have private insurance. I have private health care myself, but I know quite a few people that don't and how much it would mean to them to have some type of insurance. It won't be the way you believe it will be. Whether you know it or not, but all hospitals have to take a certain amount of "charity" cases. Welfare recipients have green cards and can see the same doctors as those with private health care. It has not caused a long wait to see a doctor. I think we need to look at the entire plan, not just some of it, but all of it. What we should do is pray for the politicians in control of this that a decision will be made that is good for ALL and trust that God will be in the midst. I agree with Amber. People are getting hyped up about Health care plans. If they were one of those people that did not have access to health care, they would be all for it and it’s obvious those fighting against it, have private insurance. I have private health care myself, but I know quite a few people that don’t and how much it would mean to them to have some type of insurance. It won’t be the way you believe it will be. Whether you know it or not, but all hospitals have to take a certain amount of “charity” cases. Welfare recipients have green cards and can see the same doctors as those with private health care. It has not caused a long wait to see a doctor. I think we need to look at the entire plan, not just some of it, but all of it.
What we should do is pray for the politicians in control of this that a decision will be made that is good for ALL and trust that God will be in the midst.

]]> By: Abbie http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4843 Abbie Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:27:38 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4843 Pastor Joel, I have to say, thank you! This is an area in my life that I struggle with. I am continuously discussing the political arena with my family and friends. Lately, I have noticed that my criticism and dislike for our current president and our senators have increased. I have found myself speaking ill of them and have often times scolded myself because instead of praying for my government's leaders I have been bashing them. It is true. As a church we must arise and speak out for what we know to be right and true but learn to balance that with submission to our authority. You have only confirmed what was already going on in my heart and mind! Thank you for always speaking out with boldness. Don't hold those punches pastor! They are the ones that help me grow!!! Many blessings to you! Can not wait for your book to be out! Please know that my pastors and I continue to pray for your healing! Pastor Joel,
I have to say, thank you! This is an area in my life that I struggle with. I am continuously discussing the political arena with my family and friends. Lately, I have noticed that my criticism and dislike for our current president and our senators have increased. I have found myself speaking ill of them and have often times scolded myself because instead of praying for my government’s leaders I have been bashing them. It is true. As a church we must arise and speak out for what we know to be right and true but learn to balance that with submission to our authority.
You have only confirmed what was already going on in my heart and mind! Thank you for always speaking out with boldness. Don’t hold those punches pastor! They are the ones that help me grow!!!
Many blessings to you! Can not wait for your book to be out! Please know that my pastors and I continue to pray for your healing!

]]> By: Jeong Yeon Lee http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4840 Jeong Yeon Lee Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:31:59 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4840 Pastor Joel, Your sermons on submitting to authority at the Unshakeable 220 Conference this past summer left a lasting mark on my life. I have seen the fruits of obedience and thank God that he is using you to share His truth. Great blog post, I hope that your ministry continues to grow in the LORD. Look forward to the next 220 Conference! James Lee Pastor Joel,
Your sermons on submitting to authority at the Unshakeable 220 Conference this past summer left a lasting mark on my life. I have seen the fruits of obedience and thank God that he is using you to share His truth.
Great blog post, I hope that your ministry continues to grow in the LORD. Look forward to the next 220 Conference!

James Lee

]]> By: Emily Bell http://www.joelstockstill.com/2009/10/government-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-4839 Emily Bell Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:39:07 +0000 http://www.joelstockstill.com/?p=419#comment-4839 Amber, the problem with the government's takeover of healthcare is not that we are opposed to everyone getting healthcare (not by any means), but that it would end up meaning months before anyone is treated for anything. People would take advantage of the fact that they can go to the doctor whenever they want and for whatever they want that it would be madness. My dad knows more about this than I do, but it would be like the health care systems in other countries (i.e. Canada and England) and people would end up NOT getting treated just because they would not want to wait. Or the government would have to put something in place where only a certain severity of illness could be treated. It would probably get so bad to where doctors wouldn't fix one eye until the other one was messed up already. It would just not be a good situation overall. I don't know what a better solution would be, but it would definitely not be that. All political debate aside, though...great food for thought, Pastor Joel! Amber, the problem with the government’s takeover of healthcare is not that we are opposed to everyone getting healthcare (not by any means), but that it would end up meaning months before anyone is treated for anything. People would take advantage of the fact that they can go to the doctor whenever they want and for whatever they want that it would be madness. My dad knows more about this than I do, but it would be like the health care systems in other countries (i.e. Canada and England) and people would end up NOT getting treated just because they would not want to wait. Or the government would have to put something in place where only a certain severity of illness could be treated. It would probably get so bad to where doctors wouldn’t fix one eye until the other one was messed up already. It would just not be a good situation overall. I don’t know what a better solution would be, but it would definitely not be that.

All political debate aside, though…great food for thought, Pastor Joel!

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